What are the most controversial rules in Romani law that you know?

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"One of the controversial principles is the issue of marriages and arranged marriages. In some Romani communities, especially traditional ones, parents have a significant influence on the decision regarding their children's marriages. Another controversial aspect is the role of women in Romani communities. They have limited rights and are subordinate to men. In practice, this includes restrictions on education, employment, sexual freedom, and life choices. I also know the principle of solidarity, which means that Romani communities place great emphasis on mutual help and support - community members are obligated to help each other in difficult situations, as well as share resources and information. There are many more of these principles, and in fact, most of them are quite unusual for us in Central and Eastern Europe."

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Cüneyt Akar

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In general, the following actions are seen by Roma as unforgivable offenses

1) Theft, deception or accusation from Roma to Roma
2) Abandonment of the family in difficult moments.
3) Invasion of the borders of an "opposite" family.
4) Violation of the laws established by the council of elders.
5) Payment of money by the man to the family of the woman to be married

In general, the following actions are seen by Roma as unforgivable offenses

1) Theft, deception or accusation from Roma to Roma
2) Abandonment of the family in difficult moments.
3) Invasion of the borders of an "opposite" family.
4) Violation of the laws established by the council of elders.
5) Payment of money by the man to the family of the woman to be married

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Ilona CIZEWSKA

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I believe that if the law of a given community respects the rights of another group, it is not controversial. The rights of others should be recognized as long as they do not violate the rights of others.

I do not have the right to judge the laws functioning within a particular community because I do not live there.

Working with Roma people in psychotherapeutic areas, I respect their distinctiveness and appreciate their uniqueness. I adhere to the basic principle: I work in a human-to-human relationship, not as a Pole-Roma. Origin, orientation, beliefs, and skin color do not matter to me. I respect and allow for the distinctiveness and otherness of every individual.

I believe that if the law of a given community respects the rights of another group, it is not controversial. The rights of others should be recognized as long as they do not violate the rights of others.

I do not have the right to judge the laws functioning within a particular community because I do not live there.

Working with Roma people in psychotherapeutic areas, I respect their distinctiveness and appreciate their uniqueness. I adhere to the basic principle: I work in a human-to-human relationship, not as a Pole-Roma. Origin, orientation, beliefs, and skin color do not matter to me. I respect and allow for the distinctiveness and otherness of every individual.

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Antonio Goldmax

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For many years, I have been involved in charitable work supporting orphaned children.

One thing I admire about the Roma is this:

They do not have a single children's home or orphan.

For many years, I have been involved in charitable work supporting orphaned children.

One thing I admire about the Roma is this:

They do not have a single children's home or orphan.

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Sebastian zimnicki

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Here are some of the most controversial principles in Roma law:

Theft as a form of justice: In some Roma communities, theft can be seen as an acceptable form of justice. Romani people believe that if someone from their community has been cheated or harmed by someone from outside the community, they may take the risk of stealing belongings from that person as a form of compensation.

Child marriage: In some traditional Roma communities, child marriage is still practiced, despite being illegal in most countries. Romani law often allows for marriages at a very young age, which leads to numerous issues related to education, health, and the freedom of these children.

Honor crimes: In some Roma communities, a woman who violates certain rules of behavior may face consequences in the form of honor crimes, such as violence or assault. This can arise from non-compliance with traditions, such as losing virginity before marriage.

Role of women in the community: Traditional Roma law still promotes traditional gender roles, meaning that women are often seen as secondary in the community. In many Roma communities, men have greater rights and make decisions on most matters, while women have limited opportunities and rights.

Inheritance issues: Roma law in some communities may include rules regarding inheritance that are controversial to some individuals outside the community. Often, men inherit a larger portion of the estate, while women and children are excluded.

It is worth noting that laws and principles in Roma communities may vary depending on location, traditions, and individual choices. Not all Roma communities adhere to these principles, and many Roma people live according to the laws of the country they reside in.

Here are some of the most controversial principles in Roma law:

Theft as a form of justice: In some Roma communities, theft can be seen as an acceptable form of justice. Romani people believe that if someone from their community has been cheated or harmed by someone from outside the community, they may take the risk of stealing belongings from that person as a form of compensation.

Child marriage: In some traditional Roma communities, child marriage is still practiced, despite being illegal in most countries. Romani law often allows for marriages at a very young age, which leads to numerous issues related to education, health, and the freedom of these children.

Honor crimes: In some Roma communities, a woman who violates certain rules of behavior may face consequences in the form of honor crimes, such as violence or assault. This can arise from non-compliance with traditions, such as losing virginity before marriage.

Role of women in the community: Traditional Roma law still promotes traditional gender roles, meaning that women are often seen as secondary in the community. In many Roma communities, men have greater rights and make decisions on most matters, while women have limited opportunities and rights.

Inheritance issues: Roma law in some communities may include rules regarding inheritance that are controversial to some individuals outside the community. Often, men inherit a larger portion of the estate, while women and children are excluded.

It is worth noting that laws and principles in Roma communities may vary depending on location, traditions, and individual choices. Not all Roma communities adhere to these principles, and many Roma people live according to the laws of the country they reside in.

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Milena Sadowska

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The traditional Roma community has a highly patriarchal character - the head of the family is the man - the father, who in turn is subject to the leader of the whole clan and the elders. The most important task of the head of the family, clan, and elders is to ensure the observance of the principles of Romanipen.

Romanipen is an internally developed set of rules for coexistence, norms, values, customs, rules, which include, among other things, social roles and sanctions, one of the strongest determinants of which was the nomadic way of life. The code applies to all members of the Roma group without exception, but does not extend beyond the Roma community.

Roma tradition dictates manifesting Romani identity as the highest and most important value. It requires the use of the Romani language in one's own environment and in contact with other Roma. It also requires tribal solidarity, assistance, and adherence to rituals.

Participation in power and decision-making processes within the Roma community is reserved for the elders who serve as judges and guardians of tradition and customs. The elders are the regulatory body ensuring the coherence of the group and deciding on its sustainability.

The consequence of non-compliance with the principles of Romanipen is excommunication (mageripen). There are two categories of excommunication, namely major excommunication and minor excommunication. The consequence of excommunication is temporary or complete exclusion from the Roma community.

Children and elderly people are exempt from the circle of individuals at risk of excommunication. The period of safety for children ends with reaching sexual maturity and entering into marriage. The lower position of women relative to men is largely sanctioned by mageripen, which assumes that women are impure beings for most of their lives. There is a whole sphere of prohibitions and commands related to the female body and its attributes, the disregard of which leads to excommunication.

The traditional Roma community has a highly patriarchal character - the head of the family is the man - the father, who in turn is subject to the leader of the whole clan and the elders. The most important task of the head of the family, clan, and elders is to ensure the observance of the principles of Romanipen.

Romanipen is an internally developed set of rules for coexistence, norms, values, customs, rules, which include, among other things, social roles and sanctions, one of the strongest determinants of which was the nomadic way of life. The code applies to all members of the Roma group without exception, but does not extend beyond the Roma community.

Roma tradition dictates manifesting Romani identity as the highest and most important value. It requires the use of the Romani language in one's own environment and in contact with other Roma. It also requires tribal solidarity, assistance, and adherence to rituals.

Participation in power and decision-making processes within the Roma community is reserved for the elders who serve as judges and guardians of tradition and customs. The elders are the regulatory body ensuring the coherence of the group and deciding on its sustainability.

The consequence of non-compliance with the principles of Romanipen is excommunication (mageripen). There are two categories of excommunication, namely major excommunication and minor excommunication. The consequence of excommunication is temporary or complete exclusion from the Roma community.

Children and elderly people are exempt from the circle of individuals at risk of excommunication. The period of safety for children ends with reaching sexual maturity and entering into marriage. The lower position of women relative to men is largely sanctioned by mageripen, which assumes that women are impure beings for most of their lives. There is a whole sphere of prohibitions and commands related to the female body and its attributes, the disregard of which leads to excommunication.

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Bogumiła Grabikowska

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The basic unit of the Roma/gypsy community is a large and multi-child family. Marriages are monogamous, contracted within their own community at a very young age and arranged. It is common for young girls to be abducted, and spending a night together is considered to be the agreement of marriage. Women cannot reveal their bodies too much, so they do not go to swimming pools or beaches. The man is the head of the family, and the woman must be fully obedient to her husband and in-laws, taking care of the household and children. Only older Romani women enjoy respect, which stems from the general principle of respect for the elderly. Romani people do not send older adults to nursing homes or children to orphanages. In case of illness or death, they can rely on mutual help and support. Roma people engage in crafts, trade, entertainment, and fortune-telling. They do not work in professions that involve impure occupations such as butchers, doctors, midwives, funeral homes, or even policemen and guards. This internal set of rules, norms, and customs undergoes slow changes depending on the country they have chosen to settle in.

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Marcin Buczkowski

There is such a law

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Kinelka23

For me, the strangest thing is infamy.

It is a complete exclusion in the name of romanipenu.

For me, the strangest thing is infamy.

It is a complete exclusion in the name of romanipenu.

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Piotr Grzymkowski

The Romani law, based on oral traditions and social norms, differs between individual groups of Roma and is not standardized. Some rules or practices may be controversial, and their interpretation may vary depending on the community. However, it is worth emphasizing that these are general guidelines and do not encompass all Roma. Some of the most controversial principles in Romani law include: - Rules regarding marriage and the role of women: In some Romani communities, there are strict rules regarding arranged marriages, sometimes even at a very young age. Decisions regarding marriage can be made by older members of the community, with limited autonomy for young individuals, especially women. - Hierarchy and authority of elders: In certain Romani groups, the authority of elders and respect for older men is highly valued. This can lead to behavior that is not always accepted in wider society, such as absolute submission to the decisions of older community members. - Rejection of individuals who violate social norms: In some Romani communities, the violation of norms and traditions can result in exclusion or ostracism from the group. - Decision-making by male leaders: In some traditional Romani communities, decisions concerning various aspects of social life can be made exclusively by male leaders, limiting the role of women in the decision-making process. It is important to note that these principles are not universal in all Romani communities and that many Roma live according to state laws, integrating into wider society. Furthermore, some of these principles undergo changes and evolution. Regarding the history and traditions of the Roma, there are many fascinating stories about their culture, music, art, family traditions, and many other aspects of social life. Roma have a rich oral culture, passed down from generation to generation, and their stories can be both inspiring and filled with challenges related to the struggle for acceptance and integration in diverse societies. Their music, dances, and traditional crafts are often appreciated and constitute an important part of their cultural heritage.

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Marian Szczęch

No, but for sure someone will tell us 😁😉

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OpenAI BOT

In Romani law, there are certain controversial principles and some rigorous internal rules. One of such principles is social punishment called "Kris", which can be imposed on a person who has caused harm to another member of the community. This punishment aims to restore harmony within the Romani community. Another controversial principle is "caste taboo", which prohibits marriages between members of different Romani castes. This principle is considered discriminatory and limiting the individual's freedom. Some Romani legal principles concerning women are also controversial. An example is the tradition of "Panyphall", which relates to the role of women as wives and mothers. According to this tradition, a woman should be obedient to her husband and dedicate her life to the family. This has been criticized by some people who believe that it limits women's emancipation and violates human rights. It is important to remember that when discussing principles and traditions in Romani law, we must be cautious and respect the diversity within the Romani community. Not all principles are universal in all Romani groups, and some of them may be subject to debates and changes within the community.

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Martyna Gołaś

"A bachelor wanting to find a wife buys her at the market. Families from various villages stand there, and the head of the family or the son redeems the woman. Another strange tradition during the "blessing" is the head of the family of the groom paying the bride's brothers for a nod of approval."

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Marlena Barzycka

Women in Roma culture are placed lower than men. They are considered unclean creatures for most of their lives. Decision-making power is on the male side.

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Alicja Solecka

The lower position of women relative to men is largely sanctioned by mageripen, which assumes that women are impure beings for most of their lives.

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Geanina Galita

Men can kidnap girls and marry them, no matter how old the girl is.

Krzystof Lizurek

The Romani law is based on oral traditions and social norms, which can cause interpretations of specific rules to vary depending on the region, community, and time period. There are many diverse principles and practices that can be considered controversial, especially when viewed from the perspective of modern human rights standards. One element that sometimes causes controversy is the issue of gender roles in the Romani community. Traditionally, in many Romani communities, great importance is attached to traditional gender roles, where women often face stricter restrictions than men. This includes issues of marriage, education, and life decisions. However, it is worth mentioning that these traditions can change with social development and education. As for the rigor of internal rules, this is a diversified matter. In some Romani communities, adherence to traditions and social norms can be very rigorous and heavily controlled by elders or leaders. However, in other communities, the level of strictness may be less rigorous. As for interesting stories, Romani culture and traditions are rich in fascinating tales and practices. However, since these stories and practices are mainly passed down orally, it is difficult to find specific and widely known examples. Stories about everyday life, myths, legends, or practices related to folk medicine in Romani communities are often interesting and full of colorful details. It is important to note that the diversity among Romani communities is immense, which means that their rights, norms, and traditions may differ depending on the specific place and community. Therefore, it is important to treat each community with respect and cultural sensitivity.

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Minty White

Romani law, known as Romanipen, is a collection of principles and norms governing the Roma community. It is a system based on tradition and customs that differs significantly from conventional state law. Here are a few aspects of this law that may be considered controversial: 1. Romanipen and Its Implications: Romanipen is a moral-ethical principle that establishes norms of behavior within the Roma community. It includes the expression of Romani identity, the use of the Romani language, solidarity with fellow tribesmen, and adherence to rituals and ceremonies. Romanipen serves to distinguish "true" Roma (ćaće Roma). 2. Principles of Honor and Hospitality: Patyv is a principle of honor and hospitality that holds great significance in Roma rituals. It includes, among other things, drinking from the same glass as a sign of respect and displaying wealth during receptions. 3. Principles of Purity: Different Perceptions of Purity: The Roma community follows strict rules of purity that are entirely different from those known in most societies. For example, hiding a used tissue in a pocket is considered scandalous, and bathing in a bathtub is seen as the epitome of sloppiness. Exclusion for Violating Purity Rules: Individuals who do not abide by the rules of purity become tainted (megardo) and are treated like lepers, with separate utensils and exclusion from the common table. 4. Vocational Exclusion: Professional Limitations: Romanipen principles restrict the professional opportunities of Roma. According to these principles, a Roma person cannot work in cleaning jobs, medical professions, or legal professions, which contributes to high levels of poverty within this community. 5. Distrust of Conventional Medicine: Mistrust of Doctors: Roma people often have reservations about using medical services because doctors are considered unclean. This aspect of the purity rule may contribute to the Roma community's distrust of conventional medicine. Romanipen, as a customary system, is deeply rooted in Roma culture and tradition. However, some of its principles may appear controversial from an external observer's perspective. These rigorous rules have a significant impact on daily life and social relations among the Roma, as well as their interactions with the surrounding society.

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Thank you for the question. Romani law is highly diverse and varies depending on the traditions, culture, and history of individual Romani groups. There is no single, universal set of rules that applies to all Roma. Some of these rules may be controversial or inconsistent with the laws of the country in which Roma live. Here are a few examples of such rules: - Blood revenge: This is a principle that mandates revenge for harm done to a family member or community. If someone kills, injures, or insults a Roma, their relatives have the right to seek revenge on the perpetrator or their family. This principle can lead to prolonged conflicts and violence between Romani groups or with other communities. - Purity principle: This is a principle that determines what is pure or impure in moral, religious, or hygienic terms. It applies to both people and objects. For example, women are considered impure during menstruation or after childbirth, as well as when they touch the lower parts of their bodies. Animals such as dogs, cats, or pigs are also considered impure. This principle requires Roma to adhere to specific purification rituals, such as washing, burning incense, or prayer. - Marriage principle: This is a principle that regulates the rules for the formation and dissolution of marriages in Romani communities. Typically, marriages are arranged by families rather than the individuals themselves. Marriages between relatives, especially first cousins, are preferred. Marriages between Roma and non-Roma are prohibited or frowned upon. Divorces are rare and difficult to obtain, and women who divorce are stigmatized and discriminated against. These are the specific principles that I consider the most controversial in Romani law. Some of them may be seen as discriminatory, unjust, or inconsistent with human rights. Therefore, it is important to respect and protect the culture and identity of Roma, but also to ensure their access to education, healthcare, employment, and justice in accordance with national and international law.

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